Are you paralyzed by worry?

The best thing a human can do is help another human being know more.

Hey, Explorers!

Welcome–

Back. Hey, Explorers! Welcome back to Useful Not Famous, the show where we explore the ins and outs of running a profitable business and strive to be the most useful people you know.

My name is Amara.

And we have a new intro. I'm Jeff.

Bitch, you always forget your name.

We're trying to figure out that intro, but I think that's actually good because that's what we're doing is we're here and we're exploring. And through exploration is where we are discovering new stepping stones.

We really didn't realize that's what we do until very recently, cause you read a book that was talking about–

A book!

I was trying to think. Yeah, you read a book called, what was it called?

So, wait. What are we talking about?

The Greatness book?

"Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned"?

Yeah, I couldn't remember. See, that's why they need rebranding. And the cover is hideous.

However, very good book so far. I just started it and you already finished it, right?

Oh, yeah.

But then they're talking about like having no objectives. And then it's like, when somebody puts a word to something, it's like how the color blue didn't exist, it was called a deep wine color. And then, all of a sudden, somebody was like, "Oh, it's blue." And then it's like, "Oh, cool.

That's the color now." And you don't see what it is until somebody names it, and then you're like, "Oh, that's very interesting."

So, well, you're saying that, but, you know, there's the possibility that a large percentage of people are like, "But the sky's always been blue."

Exactly, but it was called different colors or it was talked about in a different way, but you didn't say, "That's blue." It was like, well, that's, yeah, a light green or something, cause like if you don't have the word for it, you can't call it that. So, until you do, it's very mind-bendy. I love that shit.

And real quick, "The best thing a human can do is help another human being know more" is a Charlie Munger quote. I just wanted to give him credit right there.

Nice, good. I know he was going to sue us, so I'm really glad you did.

And it's Halloween, and that would be–

That'd be quite a distance that he would travel to get to us.

Never say never.

Anyway. So–

He's been dead for 30–

I mean, I think people know something. No, he's gone.

He went bye-bye.

Oh, is this a recent development?

I think it was this year, but he was like 99 years old. Like, he was–

Oh, I was joking that it was this year!

No, I think it was very recently. So, like Warren Buffett's still around, but Charlie Munger's not.

I'm going to get haunted now.

But yeah, so–

Talking about objectives. That's my shit.

Yeah, we want to be the most useful people you know. And that's the whole thing, is sort of like trying to always share knowledge and just explore new things. But you–

Me?

Just came across sort of the film history, and that was something that was interesting. Like, who–

Spoiler alert!

That wasn't going to be my punchline.

Okay, well then–

So, you have learned something that someone did something, and then something was someone else.

Well, and it's funny. Now this is even more meta because I was reading this with a totally different objective in mind, to create a longform video because I want to get back into creating all the history content that I absolutely love cause that's like– I love history. I love art.

I love history. All the nerdy things. And I was reading this– Don't give me that look.

I was reading this book about how Chicago was actually Hollywood before Hollywood, which is fascinating. Like, I've wanted to make this video– I'm on year four now of how long I've wanted to make this. So, now I'm just going to be like, "Fuck it.

I'm just going to make it. It's not going to be great, but whatever." TL;DR. So, I'm reading a book, and I'm reading actually two books right now about film history.

Spoiler alert. And I forgot about this because I learned it in– There's someone at our door. I learned about this in one of my history of photography classes.

There was a man in the 1870s, his name was Eadweard Muybridge. He has the weirdest spelling of Edward. If you're trying to Google it, good fucking luck.

He– it's actually a really cool spelling. But–

E-A-D-W-E-A-R-D.

W-E-A– Yeah, very good. You remembered.

Eadweard. I remember you saying it.

Eadweard. He– Okay, so there was a breeder, I believe this was in the UK, I don't remember exactly where, somewhere in England–

So, she likes horses. No. She likes history.

Okay. She likes history, and she'll give you a few of the details. Okay.

This bitch likes horses.

When have I ever said I like horses?

"I like history."

I was like, "I do?"

Doesn't matter if it's in the UK. What's–

I'm setting the framework in case somebody else who's listening is into history. Okay.

So, this is the funny part is when it comes to history, you get really nervous that you're going to say–

Yeah.

You want to give all the context because you're afraid of historians who are poopies sometimes.

Not only that, but I'm also– like when I ask you like, "Oh, what year did that happen?" And you're like, "I know you're going to fucking ask what year or where." But because for me, I like to place it in what I already know about certain locales or time periods or whatever.

Right. In relation to, and I'm all– I'm the programmer. I think like a programmer.

Yeah, you just want the facts without names, dates. You just want to be like, "This was a cool thing." And you're like, "Cool, done." Cause I like horses. To be clear, I don't like horses.

I don't hate horses, but I'm not–

You don't have a horse in that race.

Okay. Anyway, let me just get to the fucking story.

Yeah.

So, back in the 1870s, I believe it was in England, a guy named Eadweard Muybridge– Muybridge, that's also a weird spelling. He took photographs. This was very, very early in photographic history.

So, photos were literally just born. Talking in a circle. My neck!

So, there was a guy who was a horse breeder nearby, and he wanted to better optimize his horses. So, he actually contracted Muybridge to take photos of his horses. And one of the things, one of the objectives of this, which there was an objective, was to photograph the horses and see if all four hooves came off the ground at the same time or whatever variation of hoofage there was.

Feet.

Hoofs? Hooves! And what happened was through, like, a whole series of trial and error, they finally got the photographs.

And Muybridge had a series of them in order. So, you could see the horse going in, like, you know, like a flip book, where you flip the pages and it has each individual step that you need for your eyes to create a moving image. Muybridge also had a zoopraxiscope, I believe is what it was called, and he put all the horsey images in it.

And when you spin it, it's like a carousel. So, then you look through a little viewfinder– I'm pantomiming all this– you look through a little viewfinder, and you see the horse gallop. So, it's a moving image.

It's a moving series of images. That was the first-ever movie, which is what "moving image" is shortened to. He didn't go out– basically, the point of this story is he wasn't trying to create film history or he wasn't trying to invent video or what have you, but he was the first stepping stone in getting to film, because then eventually people started creating their own versions.

They created projectors. It was at the World's Columbian Exposition, and then Edison was already working on something and that was a whole to-do. But I just thought that was so fascinating with our conversations about objectives that we've had.

And there was a goal of "I need to capture this horse and see if its hooves come up," but it was a very different outcome of "I just changed the world, like, completely."

So, I think that's the thing. So, this isn't a story of no objective–

But the thing that wasn't the objective became the thing. So, I think that's– and that also just sort of showcases how the greatest things we do and achieve and create will almost universally come from not having an objective, but pursuing something anyway. So, if his objective was to make video–

There's– the science is sort of there that he never would have.

And he was interested in photography because he learned about it since it was very new, and he was like, "Oh, how does this work? Like, how do you make this?" So, there was a curiosity, an exploratory nature, and then somebody asked him, like, "Oh, can you actually do this for me?" It's like how our businesses have always functioned.

Wait, did you say that it was a bet? Did you actually say that part?

No, it wasn't a bet.

Oh, that's what you said the other day.

I thought it was, but like an inside bet, but not really.

Yeah.

So, no. On the historical record, no.

So, no.

But it's– well, it's one of those anecdotes where it's like, "And there was a bet!" But it's like that's what the story is, but officially on the historical record, it's just this is what it is.

What is a historical record?

I don't fucking know. Why are you asking me stupid questions? No, what does that actually mean, though?

No, just like on the record. Like what you can actually verify as fact. But it's like how you have all the stories that surround different things.

Okay. So, would that be like–

Why are we getting in the weeds?

I mean, exploring. I don't know what this means, so I'm curious.

Well, yeah, just like what you know is history– like what you know as fact, even though all of history is not really factual, but it's story-based. So, it's like it's what you can verify compared to various different accounts. So, like that's the problem with history, is it's all fake because it's everybody's perspective on a certain situation.

So, there is no truth in certain things, it's just what's left over at the end of the day that– Okay, I worked as an archivist, so I have a lot of historical research background. But how you would verify that something is true is essentially if you have another first-person account to verify that's actually true. But that's when it gets weird because, like, if I say the sky's yellow, and then you write in another letter, "The sky's yellow," and then everything is wiped out before and after, and then we only have those two accounts, people in the future, if for some reason, however that would happen, they would see our two accounts and be like, "I guess the sky was yellow at some point.

Like, what the fuck?" So, that's what's so tricky about history, is you can't go into it being like, "This is absolute fact." But you know what somebody said based on the letters or diaries that they kept. So, that in and of itself is historic fact in– on the historical, like, on the record, essentially, because it's there.

Like, you know that they said it because you know that this is a letter, because it has all the provenance. Provenance is essentially just the record of where it came from. So, how did it get from Benjamin Franklin to this museum?

Provenance is an herb, too, right?

No, Provence! You're thinking of a location in France.

You silly goose.

Yeah. Anyway, I could talk about this shit forever.

We're here to talk about it.

What are we talking about?

All of the everythings.

Oh, yeah, cause we have no objectives, so we can talk about whatever.

Exactly. Yeah, that's why, like, I was just curious on like, what is the actual historical record? What does it mean?

Well, and I made up that phrase. Like, I don't think that's an actual phrase, but it's just what you can prove. So, that's why–

And can you prove anything ever?

No!

Like, that's what's funny.

Cause if you– I shit you not, if you read any historical anything and you look at the footnotes, so it's those little numbers that are like tiny, tiny, tiny by a sentence, go to the back of the book, find the number, find whatever book, journal, article, whatever it came from, you will then get sent to another article from that book, journal, article, whatever, and then it just keeps going.

Like, everybody builds on everybody else's work, and it's just endless. Like, I ran into that in grad school all the time, cause I was like, "No, I want, like, the first original source." It's impossible to get to because it's like, "Well, Suzy said this, and then Suzy based it off of Bobby's work, and then Bobby based it off of Jean-Jacques," Jean-Jacques, Jean-Luc, whatever I was trying to say.

Is he a chicken?

Jean-Jacques! Based it off of his work and then so on and so forth. And it just devolves.

Like, you could you end up in, like, the research wormhole, like the black hole. So, anyway.

But that's how everything is. That's Steal Like an Artist. That's that no thing is ever new.

Correct.

Or "nothing," if you want to say it that way.

No, I like "no thing."

But, like, no single creation is ever new. It just never is because it is all comprised of everything we've learned and experienced in our personal life. This actually came up last week, where sort of going into– Well, whatever.

It was another thing that we were talking about.

About what?

I forget how it applied, so I just– I just remembered talking about this.

You're like, "Don't ask." Giving me the eyes like, "Don't ask!"

We recorded that one 9 or 10 days ago. Today we're–

Was it the previous episode?

Yeah.

I don't even remember what we talked about.

It was just like this. We were exploring, but it was, —

No, go on. Give me a synopsis. Tell me more!

But–

That's how I felt when you were like, "What's the historical record?" And I was like, "I just made that word up."

Oh, that's perfect.

But see, this is fun. I don't know, I like this version of the podcast.

Anyway, what I asked you– Spilled water.

She has a drinking problem. Water falling out of her face when she drinks it.

But I could actually– this is funny. Actually, here comes a meta thing for the episode. You wanted to talk about not having objectives.

Those saucers are so cool.

Not having objectives, so your story was to talk about not having obj- objectives, but when I asked you, "What's the historical record?", you did give me a death stare because your objective was to tell the story of the not having an objective. Isn't that funny?

Look.

Isn't that sort of funny to think about, though? Because you were just like, "Woah, woah, woah. I'm going somewhere with this."

I'm a very goal-oriented person. I'm very Type A, which I have learned the longer I have been with you.

If you can see my watch, can you see it? This is a Type B, dial. Actually, if I put it here, put it right in front of your face.

Oh, that's perfect. There we go. You should just stay like that.

So, it's upside down, but it's a Type B dial. So, you see the you see the minutes on the outside instead of the hours. Anyway.

Type A.

Yes.

And I forgot where I was going.

So, you meant–

Oh, I am a very goal-oriented person. I like to have the outcome in mind. I like to have the destination in mind.

We can take any little journey that we want to get there, as long as we get to the end. I am very much that way, as you know. And trying to do things willy-nilly does stress me out a little bit because I like to be prepared, which that's a whole 'nother bag of hammers to dive into, never–

Steamboat willy-nilly?

Yes! Steamboat Willy Nilly Nelson. I want that to be my name if I ever start like a jug band or something.

A what band?

A jug band. Like–

John?

Jug!

Jug.

Yeah, like when you'd blow into the moonshine jugs.

Oh, oh, oh. Those jugs.

Yeah. Pervert. This is now an X-rated episode.

But yeah, you So, you were relating it to me. What does that mean? Type A, and since we've met–

Yeah, you're not Type A. You're close.

But, like, what is Type A? Like, I actually don't know what it is.

Type A is somebody who's basically nuts. Like, they need to have everything a certain way. Yeah, like, they need to have everything a certain way, they really like being prepared for things, and they very much strive for, like, achievements, goals, things like that.

Like, perfection?

Yeah. Which you can be. You are much more relaxed with everything.

Like, between the two of us, who would you say is a more relaxed person?

It's so funny because, again, truth. There is no objective truth on this. Cause–

But from your perspective?

I would think you're more relaxed.

I'm relaxed?!

Compared to me! This is what's funny, because I know how I'm wired inside, and–

I'm relaxed? I don't think a single person I've ever met would be like, "She's the most relaxed person I've ever met."

This is compared to me.

There he goes, having objectives again.

Because I'm a little crazy.

I know, but that's why I love you.

Exactly. It's why we hit it off, cause we're both crazy in similar, but different ways. Because, so, what gets you is I am not craze– The things that I'm crazy about don't include–

Time.

Time– I mean, I love my watch. But timeliness. Being like–

You like timekeepers. However, you are not a timekeeper.

Time measurement.

Yes.

But I don't place importance in, like, timeliness of certain things. My importance is placed elsewhere, and I am crazy about that.

Yes, which, yeah, I don't say Type B as a bad thing. I say it more as, like, you enjoy the journey, not the destination, more.

But it's a learned thing. See, this is the interest– cause you're also–

I'm like 10 steps behind you on this journey!

But it's– it's interesting, cause you describe the me that you know, not the me who– this, again, this is so crazy, the me who I know I am inside, because I've never been the calm, relaxed person. I've always been the, like, crazy kind of thing.

Do I even know you?

Well, that's what's funny, is you know the evolved version of me.

Yeah. Isn't that, like, interesting?

So, like, I still am that, like, kid who is worried about every little thing, and like–

Yeah, which I do know that to some respect. But–

No, I know, but in my head, I'm more that. So, like, I see you as more relaxed.

That's weird.

Isn't that interesting?

Yeah, I would never think of myself as relaxed, cause my brain is constantly going. Like, that's been a problem, is I can't–

Literally, I don't have that problem at all.

But, like, I couldn't sleep in the middle of the night because my brain would just be going, going, going. And that's even when I cut out caffeine, too, it would still just go. So, that's interesting.

Yeah, and see, so the diff– the only difference, I think, between the two of us, is I–

The only difference!

Your jug band and then–

No, I'm not going to say it.

I hope you didn't hear that.

The only difference–

Dramatic pause.

Is, oh, so you're the version of me post, like, Stoicism.

You were going to say post 9/11! No, no, you know, yes. I mean, it is, technically, for all of us.

However–

That's true.

You know the version of me after Stoicism, where, like, I say there's no utility in worry so much, not because it was just, like, wired into me, it's because I found how important that is for me, like, maybe 10 years ago or 15 years ago, or more than 10, we only met 10 years ago. So, like, 15, 16 years ago, when I found Stoicism and I was just like, "Oh, yeah, these are the same problems people have dealt with for 2,000 years.

Now 2,020 years."

25 years. A lot of years.

Welcome back to COVID.

Now we're going to get marked with that little, like, "The CDC…"

You're the one who said it. I didn't.

But it was the same problems always. And back then, it was all the philosophers saying, "There's no utility in worry. When you worry, you're simply suffering.

And then if the thing happens, that's when you would suffer. If the thing doesn't happen, you suffered needlessly." So, this is something for me that, like, I say it a lot, only because it's so important cause I'm like I was always the worrier about everything.

So, now here's an interesting thought.

Going back to objectives, I feel like part of where worry comes from is because you have an objective or what we've said before is having an expectation of what you want to happen. So, let's say there's somebody that, you know, you hang out with, they're kind of a downer, but you're like, "Well, I'll hang out with them anyway, and hopefully it's going to be a good time." You're going in with an expectation, which could also be an objective, of "How do I make this a better time, or how do I make it end quicker?"

So, and I would even say more likely it's, "This is going to suck."

Yeah.

Cause that's what you say.

Yeah.

Have conventionally said.

All the time. But then I would be like, "Okay, how do I make this better for me?" Cause, like, they'll have a good time because that's just what they like to do, is complain about every single thing under the sun, and that's fine. But then I'm like, "Okay, how do I make it a better experience for me?" Which is normally food-related.

However–

But yeah, that's interesting. So, what's so funny, too, is this thought, like, so many people are negative. And I feel like what we're saying now isn't even our current day.

So, if anyone's listening thinking, like, "Oh, is this me?" This is more years ago. Before we knew anyone who we even know now. Isn't that funny?

But, like, I know sort of the archetype of a handful of those moments that you'd be describing, and it's way from the past.

Yeah, cause it would just be like, "Okay, how do I make this, yeah, suck less," was always the objective.

But it's interesting to I just wanted to say real quick because you said expectations, objective, and, like, we haven't connected those two. But I do think that is that's very directly– Like, maybe they're synonyms, I don't know.

It does feel like it, because then what is worry? Like, where does worry come from? And you're worried– like, you have worry because, yeah, you're living in the future and already sort of trying to predict what's going to happen, I believe.

Or, no, it is, like it's time travel, basically, where you're try– you're not even– I was going to say try, but you are just going into the future, and you're like, "This is what's going to happen. It's going to be terrible, and I don't want to do it." Point blank. Cause worry isn't a positive emotion, so we'll just go with the negative.

So, then if you don't have an objective– I don't know. See, this gets interesting, cause then it's like, "Okay, well, how do you diminish worry? Or how do you get rid of worry?" Cause let's say you do still have to see a certain person that you just can't stand seeing.

How do you not worry about it, or can you not worry about it? Cause you'll sort of dread it. But then–

So, I think, like, for me, the no utility in worry does help.

Just thinking that? Or do you have certain, like–

Like, knowing that.

Cause I feel like this is a very common issue for a lot of people, is like, "Okay, well, now I have to deal with Uncle Bobby, who's a creep. Like, how do I get around this?"

Yeah, like whatever it is. B- because see, there's also the thing where you can just disconnect, too. I think knowing– So, when I started saying everything's made up and nothing matters, the number of people who actually were like, "That's really good." Like, not anything, but just how they hadn't thought about it that way, was interesting to me because that's sort of my interpretation of Stoicism, is because literally everything's made up.

Like, our names are made up, our, like, the I always say just like the pavement we walk on outside and drive on is made up. There isn't– there's also just have soil, just whatever, probably not even grass, depending on where you live.

The sounds that we're making right now are made up.

Yeah, it's made up in a way that we understand what they mean across–

Hey! Hey!

But the only thing that– there's only a few things that aren't made up. See, this is the weird thing. So, what's objective truth?

Like, a watch measures time.

But does it?

Well, this is the thing. Like, time is passing. We call the passage of moments "time." So, a watch measures it, but we've chosen the frames of measurement.

Well, yeah. Does time actually exist? Because it doesn't, but there are math equations to suggest that there is time.

So, I would say even if you pull math out of it and go further back, the sun going up and down, and things that we would just observe, like, that is That does measure passage of time.

But how do we know that the time is changing with it? I guess, seasons, that helps, because you know, "Okay, now it's getting colder out, so this is a different part of the year that we're in." Hence why people started timekeeping, like making calendars and things, and tracking celestial bodies. So, I guess there is–

Look at you, "celestial bodies."

I think that was the name of a strip club, I'm pretty sure. I have no idea. Or, no, "Heavenly Bodies," that's what it was.

Anyway, not celestial. I was like, people can't even pronounce that probably, the people that are going there. Anyway.

This episode's all over the place. The So, there is, I guess, truth that time passes. However you want to measure it is subjective because there are total, like, tons of different calendars, and then different ways of keeping time.

Now, obviously with globalization, everything's almost exactly the same across the world. Like, obviously, certain peoples don't keep time in the same way. But that's interesting.

Like, we all say there is a passage of time, cause also we get older, because gravity is pulling shit down, and then we go gray, and then it's like, "Oh, yeah. She has had a lot of passage of time."

But that's the weird thing, though. So, objective truth. We believe in time.

Like, truth and belief are two different things. So, like, we believe in time. We believe that–

But time is passing.

So, like, we believe that right now it's 3:02, if I know how to read a watch.

Nope.

So we believe that. Is it true is a question, because we have defined that this means that right now, based on all the different things, based on the atomic clock and all the things that connect, that it's it's true that it's 3:02 Central Time. But it does stem from a belief.

See, now we're back at the fucking beginning, like I said, where there is no histor–

Hey, Explorers! Welcome back–

Hey, Explorers! I feel like I had my, like, phone operator voice. I don't want you to lose that.

Where I just said about the historical record, how you verify that something's true is by essentially comparing it and cross-referencing it to other historic documents, items, whatever's left over. So, by, like, something similar to what you were just saying, that's how we tell time and that's how we know that time is happening, because we have seasons.

Four different seasons in our society. We live in a society. And we know that winter's cold.

After the cold, it gets warm. Then it gets really hot, and then it, like, cools down again, like, typically.

Well, and also, a quartz watch, which this is not. In case you wanted to know, a quartz watch is crappy, and a mechanical is–

Well, no, it's not crappy. Like, it's actually It's a very high quality, high accuracy timepiece because we know that when electrical charges go through quartz, the crystal, it vibrates at a very specific frequency.

And that's it right there.

That's my watch.

So, that's how it keeps accurate time. The same thing works for an atomic clock. We know the exact pacing that the atoms are vibrating, or whatever it is, sort of in detail.

But we know that as a scientific fact. So, then the rest is all relative to that. And you were starting to say it's all relative to what we know.

And, like, even measuring time is relative to I mean–

Theory of Relativity.

I know. I see that we're getting into all these things.

Yeah.

But yeah, objective truth, there sort of is no objective truth. Everything's made up and nothing matters, so why worry? And if you– So, this gets sort of– This gets down the path we don't like.

It gets sort of to mindset, because, like, so for us, mindset is step one. Like, just know you can do whatever you want to do.

And to clarify, we don't like mindset when that's what somebody's trying to sell you, when it's very much just you can do it on your own. And that's all somebody has, but then they don't even believe in what they're saying, also. Like, you can tell it's just a cash grab, and that is what we absolutely can't stand.

Yeah. Yeah, people selling mindset.

Yeah.

And not even, like, actually embodying it or really believing it, too. So, both of those things.

Yeah, it's so It's easy to sell. Like, "Just believe, like The Secret and stuff, like just believe and it'll happen."

Exactly. We, wholeheartedly, agree. Like, we both agree on it, that whether you think it's possible or not is true.

If I If I think I can't possibly achieve something, there's no way I ever will because I don't have the belief to push through the obstacles that are going to be in the way.

And, like, that is such an important thing, even though it's mindset. We're not sell– It's free. Free of charge.

That's for you. Just if you know you can do it, which anything is possible, and I feel like you have You have an example, and I can smell it.

Oh, no! You can? Thought I showered.

Well, I was just going to say what you know already, that in the Steve Jobs biography that I read by–

Walter Isaacson.

Thank you. I can't get his name for some reason. He calls it, which I don't remember if it was somebody on Jobs' team or Jobs called it that himself, but it's called his "reality distortion field."

For Steve Jobs specifically.

Yes. So, Jobs would be like, "Oh, we can absolutely make this happen," or like to get, which I talked about on another episode, how he got the iPhone glass hadn't been made since the 1960s. He told the person, "No, you can absolutely do this." And they're like, "We can't do it.

That's too short of a time to get it out, blah, blah, blah." And he's like, "No, you can." And they got it out in a very short amount of time. So, it's all about that kind of a belief, of like, "No, I can. How do I make it happen?

Like, how do I get there?" And taking the ac– taking action then, cause the guy didn't just sit there in his factory and he's like, "All right. Well, maybe the machines'll figure it out. Let's see how this goes." Like, that's–

I believe!

Yeah, that's the shit that I can'stand. But if you're actually taking action, then yeah, it's going to be chaotic and maybe not fun, but you can get it done. It's just you got to do it.

Well, yeah, as long as doing something doesn't disobey the laws of physics, which maybe inside physics is ultimate truth, but then there's still theories–

That's still subjective, though.

That's the thing, but, like, say the speed of light. If to do something If you want to get to Neptune, you can't unless you can actually break through the law of physics that say nothing goes faster than the speed of light. Like, you just won't live long enough to get there.

And maybe Neptune isn't the right one, but I know there's certain spots where it's impossible for a human to get there without breaking the barrier of the speed of light.

Yeah, and cause I think Neptune is an entirely gaseous planet, so you can't even, like, land there.

Oh, yeah. So, there's that, too.

You'd die!

But there's, like, unless there are really concrete things–

Yeah, it would take, like, 900 years, I think, to get there or something. I don't remember, but it's like a stupid amount of time.

Yeah, and maybe it's not It's probably not within our univer– There's somewhere that– because think, there is something that just flew past Pluto, finally.

Like, so that was 30, 40 years, whatever. That wasn't that– not 30, 40. Well, that's probably, like, 50, 60 years now.

But either way, depending on how old you are, you couldn't get that far out even if you went on this little craft. But basically, if you if you don't have to break the laws of physics–

It's possible.

Yeah, which it's there are very, very few things, like, in our everyday, where you'd break physics.

Yeah, what are you trying to achieve?!

I feel like Okay, I like where you're going. Let's, like, talk this–

So, see, this is why I don't worry about being on time places.

Because of physics?

Because Yeah, because I don't have to travel at the speed of light to get there right around the time when we planned.

Yeah, you, somehow, you take the longest showers out of anybody I've ever met, and we still leave only, like, 10 minutes later than I wanted to leave. Like the other day, when we were going to the largest corn maze in the world, I was like, "Okay, we're leaving at 5:00." You got out of the shower at, like, 4:58, and I was like, "I'm going to kill you." And I was laughing hysterically, cause when I get when I get mad, I just start laughing, because it's so silly.

Well, no. At each other. We never get–

Well, only people I'm like, "I'm going to kill you."

Well, I've never I don't get mad at you, ever.

Me?

Yeah. But when you get mad at me, it's just that giggle, because you know how silly it is even to be mad.

Yeah, cause I'm not actually mad.

So, that was funny cause I was eating an apple.

It looked like you were hiding behind the fridge. You're like–

You just looked around the corner, you're like, "We need to leave! What are you doing, you crazy person?" And you just burst out laughing.

Yeah, it was 4:33, and you had said, "Oh, I'm going to jump in the shower." And I looked, cause I was writing out my ideas, and then I looked and I was like, "It's 4:33. He's not in the shower. He takes, like, 30- to 40-minute showers." So then, I went in the kitchen and I looked around the fridge, and you're just, like, like nervously eating your little apple.

And I was just, like, "Sweetie."

And see, that So, this comes back to Stoicism. What's the worst that can happen, is we get there a little later? And we still had such a great time.

We–

And we got all of the checkpoints.

Yeah, this corn maze is very cool.

It's huge. It's 33 acres and 10 miles of corn maze, and we literally went through all of it, basically.

Yeah, so we– And they have a little, like, game where you punch There's specific punches at each of, like, 22, 24 numbers.

24.

24.

24.

And so yeah, you're trying to find your way through the maze using this map. This one's Back to the Future.

It was very fun. There will be a video on it, but you probably won't see it because it's hyper-local.

It's a hidden profile.

But this has been fun. I think we should wrap right there.

I have so much more to say.

Okay, good.

But I'll save it for the next episode.

Bzzing! Pew-pew! Pew-pew-pew!

I shouldn't do that. YouTube's going to be like, "Those are real."

Bye, Explorers!

Bye!

Bye!