The truth about purpose

Not to assume it's impossible because you find it hard, but to recognize that if it's humanly possible, you can do it, too.

Let's unpack that. My name's Amara Andrew. Why did I say it so formal?

This is Useful Not Famous.

Yes. Welcome back to the show. This is Useful Not Famous.

Welcome to the Useful Not Famous family. I'm Amara, and that's Jeff. And this is a show where we help teach you how to build not only a better business, but a better brand.

So, this week–

I like it.

–we are going to talk about this quote.

So, this is– yeah, this is Marcus Aurelius. "Not to assume it's impossible because you find it hard, but to recognize that if it's humanly possible, you can do it, too." So, this is 2,000 years ago.

I was just going to say, like, in a sentence, who is Marcus Aurelius?

Yeah, Marcus Aurelius is a Stoic. He's– him, Seneca, and a couple others are the Stoic philosophers. What?

They're the guys! I don't know the way you're saying it, it's like, "Hey, this fucking guy, Marcus Aurelius and Seneca."

But the beauty is they talk about things that apply to us today, 2,000 years later. And this is one that's very, very applicable.

It's actually really funny because I was looking up another quote from Seneca in the context, because you just said, "What about this?" and it was like perfect. We haven't even talked about this at all, because normally we plan out a little bit. Not to show you how the sausage is made.

Well, no, but this we're we're trying some exploratory episodes. We talked about exploration last year, not having an obj– last year, last week.

Woo, what a week it's been!

But we talked about exploration and that's something that's super valuable.

Yes.

So, this week on the on the show, we're exploring.

Yeah, we're going to have a little bit more of just a free-form conversation and see where this goes and see if I put my foot in my mouth like I always do. But when you brought that up, I was like, "There's a quote," and I couldn't remember exactly how it was framed, but it's, "There is neither good nor bad, only thinking makes it so." And I was like, "What motherfucker said that?"

One of my favorites.

Yeah, and you've brought it up so many times and it's so helpful, but we can talk about that later. But–

Well, wait, did you figure out who it was?

It was Seneca. However, what was interesting, this was actually a little mini history mystery that I just solved, it's largely attributed to Shakespeare.

Yeah.

And I could not– I was like, "No, this motherfucker didn't come up with it. Like I know it was some old ass guy." And I was like trying to remember, I couldn't remember who said it, and I didn't want to bother you because you were like reading over or re– whatever, or you were answering an email, whatever it was. So I was like, "I'm going to find it," because I like solving these little history mysteries.

And, yeah, everyone is attributing it to Billy Shakespeare, also known as Billy Corgan. No.

Yeah. Yeah, B. Shakes, that's what we call him.

Billiam Shakespeare. B. Shakes.

And, yeah, it's actually Seneca who wrote it first. But isn't that amazing? It's like this person came up with a thought originally, or maybe Seneca even read it somewhere and we have no idea who that like original, original source is.

So, bingo, that's the thing. That's what's wild about all of these things. Everything that the Stoics wrote, they learned from someone else.

Everything is repackaged. Everything is remixed.

Forever!

Yeah, and like Marcus Aurelius learned from Seneca. Seneca came maybe 50 years or 100 years before. It doesn't mean one is better or one is right, but they're almost at the beginning of written word.

So, how many generations of people before said these things that still apply to us today? That's why I find Stoicism amazing is–

And this is why I find history fascinating.

Well, yeah, but like just that Stoicism specifically, because there's sort of tenets of the philosophy and they almost universally are just core fundamentals to being a human today or 2,000 years ago.

Yeah, it's fascinating. Like, it's so funny. Not to go down the history rabbit hole, but I love history.

Well, you said history mystery like three times, so you got to say it again.

History mystery. History mystery. Tickles my fancy.

Dancy? Dead Dancy-an. Anyway, maybe we shouldn't do free-form.

I mean, I thought you were going to say tickle– tickles a pickle, just because you're rhyming everything, but–

I mean, that one didn't come in front of my mind, apparently. What the hell was I just going to say? Oh, I was at the Field Museum yesterday, which, if you don't know what that is, it's a museum here in Chicago.

Absolutely beautiful building. It was It housed the World's Columbian Exposition, 1893, blah, blah, blah. The museum itself, though, is about sort of the history of the natural world.

Very complicated history there. I'm not even going to unpack that. But I was at in one of the exhibits yesterday, my favorite, which is the ancient Egypt exhibit, and I was with my mom, and she's like, "Whoa, Egypt was 3,000 years?

Like, it spanned over 3,000 years?" And I was like, "Yeah, so many people forget how long that time period is." But anyway, it just– Marcus Aurelius Marcus Aurelius reading Seneca, 100-year gap. Like, you forget that these people weren't just like, "Hey, shucking and jiving together." Like, there's a huge time gap between all these things.

So, anyway, I'm not going to go down a history rabbit hole.

Well, no, but everything informs everything else. Like, that's the concept of steal like an artist.

Like, every artist steals, in air quotes, because that's like, we're like, "Oh, don't steal. You can't take this thing." It's funny, I just– I have a tangent on that, but I don't want to end up down way too many tangents. But everything is a remix of everything we've learned throughout our entire lives.

And there's certain things, like let's let's take like sort of math and science and things like that, things that are very passed on. Like, you go to school, you learn math. You sort of like you're at 5 years old, 7 years old, whenever you learn like numbers and addition and stuff like that, I've no idea how old you are when you learn that.

But like that's something that's given to you. It's something that people have figured this out years, years, and years, and years, and years ago, and it's been used so many times since, and it's still applicable to us now. But there was one thing, and this I have to say it, because it's a tangent that I've never thought about, but I came across recently, someone said this, and it and on a podcast, and it really just sort of clicked in.

We can give children things like math and science and understanding of all these things that we learned from someone before us who learned from before them. But the thing that you can't just impart upon someone is meaning.

Because everyone has to find their own meaning. And that's not something I can tell you how I define meaning for me. But there is no way that I can give you meaning by telling you that.

So, can you actually define your meaning? Because I have a different idea of meaning. So, like because I come from an art history background, this painting has meaning because of the iconography in here in a certain time to a certain group of people.

Granted, that meaning shifts dramatically depending on if the person grew up in the next town over. Like, let's say it's a I don't know, a Renaissance painting done in the early Renaissance in Florence. Like, beginning of Renaissance.

There is certain iconography in there that has meaning to the audience that's viewing it. But then you even go 100 years after, and maybe the meaning shifts a little bit. So, I totally forgot what my argument was cuz now I'm just thinking of all these paintings.

Well, I'm just realizing, so I said meaning, and I mean like personal meaning, so like purpose.

Okay.

So, like–

Yeah, so that was why I was asking.

So, yeah. So, purpose. So, we can we can impart things upon other people, and that's a new starting point.

Okay.

So, thinking about SpaceX, trying to get to Mars.

If no one had invented a space shuttle yet, to try and colonize Mars would– it's not even– there's– it's not a stepping stone. We talked about stepping stones last week.

There is no stepping stone to go from say, not even having a car yet, like in 1900. No one invented a car. You can't just jump to space shuttle.

But someone born today who's interested in engineering and things, we can impart everything that we know about a space shuttle on them from day one of when they can comprehend it. But we can never impart purpose to someone. Like a purpose in life.

I wake up and this is why I'm here. We can't impart on someone. There isn't a mechanism because it's a completely different thing that's such a personal journey.

And this isn't This is a huge departure from what we're talking about with this quote, but it's something I found super fascinating this week to think about.

Yeah, that is interesting because then I think So, a lot of people that we work with, they work in real estate, they're Realtors. And I feel like a lot of people get stuck in their business where they don't feel happy with it anymore or they don't feel good. And part of that to try to feel good is getting the dopamine hit of like the raw-raw, like, "I'm going to this conference," or, "I'm talking to this coach," or whatever.

And you get that motivation and it's temporary, but it doesn't help you find your purpose. It doesn't get you any closer to that. It's sort of like making you feel good temporarily, and then you don't actually feel good permanently, if that makes sense.

I don't know, I keep losing my train of thought.

Well, no, but it doesn't develop to something else.

Yes, it just sort of is, but it's not helping you get closer to finding your purpose where, like you like you can't teach that to someone. It's You can feel a certain way about a certain thing, but the purpose Yeah, like where do you even get your sense of purpose? Because, like, that has to purely just come from within.

It's like accountability. You can have all these things set up for you, like an accounta-bility-buddy and like be part of all these different groups and all this different networking–

Billy Shakes. Are they the original accounta-bili- Billy-buddy?

Yes. That was his first business, then he was like, " fuck it. I'm going to try to write something.

Wah, wah." But you can have all these systems and things set in place, but I feel like it does nothing unless you already have it inside of you.

So, this was the thing. This came from, I think it was a clinical psychologist. I forget exactly, but like an MD doctor who said this, and what really tied to everything that we talk about is that the only way we can find a purpose is through taking action and doing things, which I fully agree with.

Like, when I'm not doing and like achieving something– so maybe that's growth, maybe it's learning, maybe it's like diving into a topic, maybe it's building something, creating something. If I'm not growing in some way, that day I generally feel down, not depressed, but I feel like, meh. The day is very just meh for me.

And I think because the way that I've found sort of the purpose for me is through creating and doing something that I feel like I'm better than I was yesterday.

Yeah, same, which is why, well, like we've talked about in other episodes, we kind of got in a funk last year because we weren't necessarily growing and doing other things that helped us grow and helped us move forward with move forward, how whatever that means. It doesn't have to mean like, "Oh, I built 75 businesses," or, "I made a gillion, bajillion dollars, like Billy Shakes." But just moving forward and like progress in a way, but whatever that means, whether it's just, "I feel good.

I feel happy. I feel fulfilled."

-huh.

So, yeah.

Well, yeah, and it's just it's an interesting thing. So, we can't impart fulfillment and purpose on someone, and it's sort of like that can get down the philosophy and like religion rabbit holes and all that.

Yeah, I'm trying to not go too far into it, but it is a very interesting idea. Yeah, you can't help people with their purpose, that has to come from within.

And they can only experience life–

Yeah.

–to then inform that feeling within. So, if we're not doing anything, we'll probably feel depressed and never have a purpose because we haven't explored anything. I feel like our topics are going to be a lot more about exploration now, just cuz everything ties back to that, it feels like.

I think that's hugely beneficial because if you're not like, that's when I've felt the best, because I've always loved school, as nerdy as that sounds. But because certain topics, certain ones I don't even want to touch, but like, especially in like college and grad school, because it's much more specific, like you get to pick what you do, more, kind of, not 100%.

But I loved that because it was like, "Oh, I'm going to take this random fucking class on Japanese art," or whatever, or like, "I'm going to take a yoga class and learn actually the principles of yoga, like the actual foundation in Sanskrit, like doing all that." Cuz I just found it interesting. But I didn't realize it was that same vein.

Like, that's why I always felt so positive about my college. And you're like, "Why do you love your college so much? Like, this is really weird." But it was because of that exploratory nature where it was like, "I'm just going to take the most random classes I can find because I find it interesting.

Like, I the weirder the better."

I think I just I think I solved for X here.

-oh.

So–

Let's hear it. Lay it on me, Fatti. I kind of want to call this episode Billy Shakes, just

But I think school specifically for you worked so well because innately you want to explore. However, school gave you an objective to explore within, because like we want the objective and you want to check things off. I'm saying it not in a negative way, in a positive way.

I want to be like, "I'm getting better and growing and moving forward," and exploring–

Well, and I like applying what I've learned to something.

Exactly. So, the objective was applying what you learned to school.

Ooh, I don't like this.

No, but it's interesting.

Don't analyze me.

But now, like if we can take the objective out and still explore, you get all the same benefits and more because now it's not confined. So, it's not for a thesis paper.

Yeah.

But these talking about what we're talking about right now, I didn't listen to a podcast to have this conversation on our podcast.

Yeah.

This was a throwaway line that someone just said because of what they've experienced in their clinical practice and I'm here touching the trees.

Go touch grass. You're like, "I'll touch this fake bamboo instead."

But he just said this in the context of the conversation and it was something that clicked in my mind that I was like, "Oh, that's really interesting." But this is this is the concept of gathering stepping stones.

Yeah.

Like, we're talking about This is a very meta conversation. Like, it's a double meta conversation. Billy Shakes conversation.

But–

There's too much anticipa– –pation. You're watching too much Rocky Horror Picture Show.

I've I know you've never seen it. I don't watch that and

You should. It is fabulous. Anyway.

Visually not what I'm into, but

Great story. Cool.

Now, the stepping stones that we gather or gathering these stones to do something great, and is this episode great? I don't know, but I'm actually having fun with this one. What do you feel so far?

I feel good. Maybe a little chilly.

Clammy.

Yeah, always. No, I feel good with this, actually, because we don't have, again, the objective of, "Well, now I need to come up with the how to implement what we're talking about." Like, it's it's too confined, which I like having rails like that sometimes, but I feel like it almost– this is, again, showing how the sausage is made– but I feel like it stunts our conversation, sometime, because–

Well, yeah. We have an obj- We definitely have a This is so meta. Like, we have objectives every week, and last week we were like, "Don't have an objective," and our objective was to talk about not having objectives.

-huh. And then it's like, "Okay, well, now I'm going to teach you how to not have objectives." Then it's like, "Well, I'm also fulfilling my objective to tell you not to have a to have objectives." I'm confused.

So, this might actually We've talked about this, that the podcast might become pure exploration, and I feel like we're sort of talking ourselves through it right now.

I think we should, cuz this feels so much better and more natural. And then I feel like we can actually have a deeper conversation and bring in other things instead of just having it be like, "Bleh!"

Yeah, "I want to say this." "No, you say this."

Yeah, and like, tying it back to like video and stuff. Like, some I don't want to fucking talk about video sometimes! I like don't even want to think about it.

Well, yeah. And the goal on here isn't to talk about video, either. It's to talk about being useful, but then, yeah, we do give it the context of what is MAVEN.com, where we travel all over the country to film with our top 90s in their market to create a hyper-local platform where they can be useful to their community and make a lot more money.

Not famous, useful.

Yeah. Fuck fame.

But, yeah, we don't need to talk about that, you know? We don't We don't need to bring up all the things like Highway that we're doing to make it easy for people to create their own hyper-local content without having us there in person, because you've created all of the actual You playfully call them like meal plans, or like flash cards, to create content very simply on their own without a videographer, and basically in 5 minutes time create a video, rather than spending all the time to prep and plan.

We don't need to talk about that because we're just having an exploratory conversation. It's a lot of fun. Are you done?

I mean, we still have our main quote that we had talked about something feeling impossible or not.

Because I need to talk about, "What is MAVEN.com?" Just teasing.

I mean–

Okay.

What's impossible? We can do anything with our life. Like a documentary, for example,

Oh, Jesus Christ.

–that we might have announced–

All right, call me when you're ready.

–in a couple out later, hours later, today, when finally– Today, when this show when this episode is out,

Oh, is it announced today?

–I can finally fucking talk about it.

-huh.

So, yeah, it's it's exciting. I guess I could even– well, no.

You can talk about it right now, because this is going to come out in what, 17 days? No, in a few days.

Okay, so back to the So, read me that again because we've gotten so far away from it.

But this has been fun. I like this.

Fun for you.

Exactly.

That's all that matters. I have an objective. I object!

Like in Legally Blonde, when she's submitting her admission tape. Just wanted a deadpan and see what you'd do.

Fucking fine. Okay, so, "Not to assume it's impossible because you find it hard, but to recognize that if it's humanly possible, you can do it, too."

Yes.

And that's the interesting thing is we can do whatever we want with our lives. Like, we're not trapped, and you want You had sort of–

Yeah, so–

–the Steve Jobs stuff that's really fascinating.

I've been reading his the biography by–

Walter Isaacson.

Thank you. I keep saying Isaac Abramson. Abramson.

I need to look up who the fuck Okay.

I don't even know who that is. No, you talk out loud.

Okay, cuz I need to know who that is because I keep saying his name and I keep getting laughed at by everybody. But I've been reading the biography and it's so, so good. It is I think by far one of the best books I've ever read.

What?

I mean, I'm pretty sure you just made up the name Isaac Abramson, unless you're a big fan of Chadron State College football, because he's on the 2024 —

That's who! Yeah, I completely keep up with Chadron State football.

Chadron.

Cheddar cheese?

Chadron.

Chadron?

Chadron.

Chadron. That sounds like somebody who lives in a trailer park, what they name their child.

Or it's there's also a gentleman who unfortunately passed. He was born in 1887.

Wait, actually, though, what did he do? Does it say what he does?

No, this is literally just like, "My father, Isaac Abramson, was born in 1887." This is just an obituary.

I swear to God, it's like someone. Like Okay, anyway, I'll actually take a look. As a professional researcher, I will look.

Okay.

All right, time to wrap this episode up. But–

What the fuck? Oh, the bio.

Also, I'm so much faster than Chuck at that, just saying.

He sucks ass. Okay, so the biography. So, so good.

I just need to say real quick, Chuck is a producer on a podcast we listen to and whenever they say to Google it, it takes him 27 minutes to Google one thing. This isn't like a human that we know.

It's like I Googled this faster. No. Okay, biography.

Steve Jobs' biography, you should listen to it or listen to it, read it.

If you want her to read it to you as she reads it to herself. Follow along on Amarareadsyoubooks.com. Oh, no.

Oh, no, you're-done.

And Steve Jobs said, "Where are we?" Could you imagine? I'd have to read the David Beckham one. I feel like, "Hey, Beckham." Okay, we are off the rails here.

Yep. Okay. Biography.

Very, very good. Whether you're building something or not, it's just it's very inspirational and you get to know so much more about who he was and just all the steps it took to get to where he got. I don't know.

It's just endlessly I love biographies, though, I guess I should emphasize that. But this is also one of the best.

Well, and Steve Jobs is so specific.

He's very fascinating, yeah.

And driven in a way that we can I know we both can relate to.

Yeah, not, obviously, to the same extent, but, yes, it's like I like it a lot because there are a lot of things where I'm like, "Fuck yeah." but I've been reading that, and what the hell are we talking about again? We've gotten so far down.

It's okay. I will read the quote one more time. This is all you get, though.

So, this is Marcus Aurelius, thousands of years ago.

Just get to the quote. This is why This is why I keep getting distracted, because then my thoughts are like, "Well, yeah, Marcus Aurelius, the guy on the horse."

I know, it's so funny. I never used to do this, but I learned this from you and now it's frustrating.

-huh.

"Not to assume it's impossible–

Yes, okay.

–because you find it hard,

Got it.

–but to recognize that if it's humanly possible,

Yep.

–you can do it, too."

Thank you. Okay, so in the biography, he is Where I'm at in the book, he's starting to create the iPhone. Spoiler alert, it happens.

Ooh!

And he is trying to figure out a better solution because the first ones that he was looking at had plastic for the screen cover, or like as the screen.

Yeah, like prototypes.

Yeah, but he felt that was very inelegant, which, yes. So, he wanted a more elegant solution. He was looking for a high-quality glass.

Don't derail me again.

That snark just made me laugh.

It's true. But he was looking for a more elegant solution. So, he was talking to this guy who, he worked at CorningWare.

I think they had a Corning– I don't remember specifics, but it was somebody who was part of that and they were like, "Oh, you should talk to Jim Bob. He used to work here, blah, blah, blah." So, he talks to this guy, and he tells Jobs about, I think this is how it happened, now I'm a little fuzzy, but essentially Jobs finds out that in the '60s, CorningWare had a type of glass that was called Gorilla Glass.

Very, very strong and I don't know what happened, so I can't, no spoiler alerts because I don't know what happens in the book for the progression. Anyway, but he talks to this guy and he's like, "Hey, I really want to have this glass." Mind you, it hasn't been manufactured since the '60s because they weren't able CorningWare wasn't able to find somebody who actually needed this strong of glass, so they just scrapped it, they stopped making it.

Fast-forward to like 2005, '7-ish, when he's working on the iPhone. He talks to this guy and he's like, "Hey, I really want to get this glass." And the guy's like, "Well, we haven't made that for over 40 years, so I won't be able to fulfill your orders and things." And Jobs is like, "Well, yeah, we need these things within 6 months." The guy was like, "Absolutely not, there's no way." And Jobs was like, "No, you can do it.

You can absolutely do it." And that's what Walter Isaacson calls Jobs's reality distortion field, and he says that repeatedly throughout the book. And the guy at CorningWare ends up being able to fulfill all of the orders that Jobs needs. And that happens repeatedly throughout the book where Job just presses on people, and he's like, "You can do it.

Like, why aren't you going to do it?" And they're able to do it. Like, it's not glamorous. The people have to work very long hours.

They're very tired. They're very pissed off. But they eventually get to that end point and it's so much better than they could have imagined and they feel so good about that.

So, anyway, when you said that, it just made me think of that moment where it was like Then that's what made me think of that Seneca quote, not Billy Shakes, where it was like, "There is no good or bad, only thinking makes it so." So, what you think will happen will happen. Just like I keep manifesting that birds are shitting on me and they are.

I don't know what it is. I've been shat upon multiple times this past week. It's good luck, allegedly.

So just I know we're we're not the biggest on mindset and that like what it is, because it's sort of been bastardized where people have just been like, "Well, just don't do anything and just think your thoughts and everything good is going to happen."

And people sell that.

Yeah, and it's so fucking stupid. Like, I'm sorry if that's what you're into, but it is very, very foolish because no matter how hard you think things are going to happen, if you don't take the action to actually do it, nothing will happen.

Well, yeah. You need to be positive, of course. So, "There is neither good nor bad, only thinking makes it so," is like from the Stoic philosophy, it's there's no utility in worry.

So, if I'm worried that there will be a meteor strike next week, like if I'm worried about that actively and it happens, that's when I should be stressed and worried because this has happened. Now, if I worry about it and it doesn't happen, I experienced it happening for the week leading up to that with zero purpose other than distress to me.

And like that's why I think that quote's so important is we all worry and stress and we're worried how things will go, but really there's simply no utility in doing that. And if you sort of tangentially over to the if you think it's only impossible if you think it is, like if it's humanly possible, you can do it. Steve Jobs knows that.

Elon knows that with things. Like I think he said something recently, he's like, "Why have a–" and now this is very rough, retelling, but I think he said, "Why have a 10-year plan when you can just try to do it in 6 months?"

-huh.

Because then it's like you're It doesn't mean you're going to get to where you thought you'd get in 10 years, but you're going to get way further than you ever thought possible.

Yeah, that is That's very interesting. I've never heard that before. Oh, shoot, I just had something and it just flew out of my head.

Can you catch it? Did you get it? Nope.

What'd you say before that?

There's no reason to stress and worry, and you were talking about mindset.

Yeah, it was related to the stress and worry. Oh, yeah, just don't worry about things that you can't control, cuz at the end of the day, you can't control a damn thing except yourself. You can completely control yourself.

You can control how you think, how you feel, how you respond to certain things, what you do. You can control every single part of yourself. But I think that's kind of scary to a lot of people, and it's easier to look at your external circumstances and blame certain things or say, "Oh, if only I had," not even like blaming, but just being like, "If only I had X, then I could do Y." But it's like, well, you have Z right now that could maybe get you to X or Y, but you just It'll take a little bit of time, and it'll take a little bit of work, but eventually you can get there.

So My stomach. Do you hear my stomach growling?

Oh, I did just now! I pulled the mic away because I'm like Why are you like this? I know.

But that's Like that is literally the only thing you can control.

And, again, stepping stones. Like we can control like how we think and feel and that step that we take. We're not trying to invent a rocket ship.

We're saying, "I understand how to I understand how to use a camera.

I want to I need to make a few more dollars. So, one step would be to use the camera to help someone else. That's more valuable than the money that they will give me for that.

That's a way I can make money right now. I know how to use this. How do I That's one step away.

You don't have to build a big business. You don't have to do anything. I need to sell more houses.

I need to get a new client. How can I be useful? What's one step away to be useful to someone who right now is looking to sell or thinking about selling their house?"

Yeah. Yeah, that is a very good point.

Yeah, everything's just one step away. So, like this is a mindset sort of concept, but I think mindset and philosophy get conflated, and I think the issue is people are selling mindset when all someone needs is philosophy. Like, you don't need to pay someone for it.

Yeah, I think the problem that I have with the mindset thing is that people are trying to sell you magic.

Yes, that's that's the word.

And that's the problem is it's like, "Well, yeah, just buy all these books and wear a pantsuit and you're going to be so good and so successful." And it does Like, that's This is what makes it difficult because there are certain things like visualization that is an ancient fucking practice that does work and does help. It's It's when things get muddied then there are certain kernels of truth in there, but then it's repackaged and sold to you, and it's a bunch of bullshit from somebody that's trying to sell you a course or a whatever or a retreat or whatever it is.

But you don't need that. You need the like principles of it. And, again, then this comes down to your self-accountability to do that, and it is sort of a practice.

I'm getting a little in the weeds. But just to I guess that's why, yeah, that is at the end of the day why I have such a problem with all the mindfulness stuff or mindset stuff, not mindfulness, the mindset stuff is because it does work, but not the way that other If somebody's trying to sell it to you, just don't listen to them, essentially, at the end of the day.

If they're giving it away to you for free, maybe, but nothing's ever free. There's always some sort of ulterior motive. Yeah, so–

Yeah, for example, if you're interested in things like this and need some help making content, you can No! Don't do it! Yeah.

I mean, I think that's good. This was fun. I like this episode.

Yeah, I like the free-form a lot better, I think.

And like we love talking about philosophical things, so–

I love philosophy. It gets me so excited.

Next week we are going to dive into Let me Let me pick a random thing.

We should talk about the sublime.

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And I just swiped. We could literally be like this will be next week's episode, "Life is about not knowing and then doing something anyway."

Ooh, scary!

Okay. So, let's wrap this week, and let's have Let's have fun again, next time.

No, I want to talk about it!

Yep. Okay, see ya! Bye!